Talk:Wild Zoids

In the first episode of chaotic century doesn't it show Van's dad Next to a giant wild zoid?

I also know that zoids tends to not make sense but is there something special about the humans that lets them survive all of this?

If i recall the anime correctly (which i probably don't) Van takes some pretty hard hits with barely a scratch! Are they part zoidian?72.49.178.126 16:14, August 12, 2010 (UTC)cerberus

Um, no Dan was never next to a wild Zoid. Main reason why you don't see any wounds is because of the dub (0mGz, b001d!!!!11!! W3'z g0tz t0 re0Mv3z 1t!!!!), and only Fiona, Reese, and the perv... I mean Hiltz were Zoidians, though it changes around in fanfic (especially mine).

But ya, that's pretty much it.

(16:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC))

Thanks i just watch the first episode of zoids again and i realized how little non-zoid technology gets covered here. Is there an article on van's hoverboard?

also 1337 5kl11s /\/\@|\|

72.49.178.126 16:54, August 12, 2010 (UTC)cerberus

I can't speak Leet very well.

And no, there isn't. But of course, it's kinda a very minor thing.

(Zoids Fanatic 16:56, August 12, 2010 (UTC))

Sleepers

arn't the guysaks that come out of the desert in packs refered to as sleepers? Also didn't they have some kind of flashing box thing installed into the cockpits?

ZGWolf 23:31, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that'd be correct, but I should mention that Sleepers aren't wild Zoids- they're AI used by the army. I'm guessing this page is just incorrect, it doesn't seem to meet up with even our rather low standards XD Slax01 23:42, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well since they tend to be leftovers from a war long over, they might as well be wild. The biggest problem is that neither the battle story or the anime goes into real info on wild zoids. Am I Right? ZGWolf 23:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, battle story books have quite a decent amount on it...life cycles, what they eat, that kind of stuff. It's just in stuff I haven't touched much. The first NJR fanbook also makes the proper distinction between wild and feral that the anime never does >_>. Pointytilly 20:09, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Pics of Wild zoids

The article says that some boxes had pictures of the wild zoid that zoid was based on, do we have any of those pics?

ZGWolf 15:29, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Currently, we do not have any. And I don't remember seeing any wild Zoids on the box. Maybe it refers to the "original" Zoids? (Zoids Fanatic 15:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC))

It only applied to the NJR boxes. does anyony have one?

ZGWolf 18:00, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I found one of the pics! it's of a wild liger zero. I don't know if it's okay to use here though. I never fully understood the terms of use on these things.

Is it all right if i put it on my user page? ZGWolf 19:11, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

if you don't have permission to use a picture, then you can't post it here. It's fine if you just want to post a link to it though...Azimuth727 19:42, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

• could i post it on my user page then, or do I have to fallow that rule everywhere? or was this picture okay because it's just a snapshot of the box. I figured i'd better ask before i did something stupid.ZGWolf 21:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

There are canon pictures of quite a lot of wild Zoids in this one OJR book and in the Zoids Bible; the boxes have the Liger that'd become the Zero and EL (from the red EL's box), Seismo (guess), I thiiiink Gojulas Giga, and BF/Gairyuuki (the latter's box). I might have a photo of the BF one somewhere, but uuuugh I am not digging out my EL box right now x_o. Pointytilly 20:07, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

sorry for the delay, here is the link to the picture. http://zi-tech.com/zoidsImsearching.html

Thanks!

ZGWolf 22:03, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's a wild Zoid alright. (Zoids Fanatic 22:12, August 13, 2010 (UTC))

Think there are some wild zoid pics in the new Graphics books too, not the kind EL and Gairyuki are based on but the pre-war/non evolved type. I'll go check.SharkWings 22:53, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have a picture of the liger zero art model? the only pic I found had a watermark on it ;_;

ZGWolf 14:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Info

Um, where did you get the info anyways?

(Zoids Fanatic 21:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC))

The bit about True wild zoids was taken from one of the first CC anime episodes, so was the bit about a zoid bonding with it's partner and honoring it's wishes, A white gordos I think. The sleeper bit again from the bit where van & Irvine are swarmed by guysacks. But the catagories themselves i kind was grabbing at threads. i think that the sleeper catagory should have something else as a title.

One of these days there better be a line of wild zoids released just to stop the questions. they are confusing as heck.ZGWolf 21:40, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, as long as you were no making it up. And the Gordos was episode three, and the sleepers were episode six. (Zoids Fanatic 21:43, August 16, 2010 (UTC))

the only sad part is that if i did make that up there is almost nothing you could say to contradict me.ZGWolf 21:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

delete

I flagged this for deletion. I'm not going to delete it right away, but as it stands, there is almost no real information in the article, and almost nothing links here. To avoid deletion, I suggest adding lots of information, for example, pictures, citations (e.g. specific examples of where wild zoids are mentioned). For example, in this article it is mentioned often that the Liger Zero is a wild zoid, but this is not mentioned anywhere else in the wiki, and I'm having trouble backing nearly 3/4 of the article. Sylvanelite 09:19, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

I oppose the deletion. There are pictures of wild zoids available and the above section go into the origin for some of the info.

(and no the liger zero is based on a wild zoid)ZGWolf 15:02, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

sorry i got cut off earlier. I also wanted to say that the reason that there are no pictures is that they were mainly released in japan. Shark wings was looking into getting some though.

Simply put this is an important article that just doesn't get enough attention. I've been trying to work on it more but outside the games, my zoids knowledge is somewhat slim.

ZGWolf 17:25, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

@ ZGWolf, I did find some cool Wild Zoid stuff from the Graphics booksthanks to Zoidspoison. They look a bit oddbut I'd call them note worthy enough to keep around if someone could translate. SharkWings 20:38, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Sylvanelite, is this enough to save this page? ZGWolf 22:17, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Edit the page and THEN ask that question. Slax01 22:40, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Slax, you added the new flag asking for help didn't you? The history says i did. Glitch? i know i didn't. ZGWolf 00:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

What? Sylvan added the delete tag, and I have no problems seeing this in the history. Slax01 05:21, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Not the delete tag, the pic of the command wolf thats half assembled. I didn't put that tag in. yet the activity feed said i did. I suppose it doesn't matter but it is still weird. ZGWolf 14:55, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, that's because I edited the stub template. Purely a superficial change, though there are some formatting errors I'm trying to fix. Slax01 21:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Here are some simple criteria that is needed for the page:

-Sources for the names "True wild Zoids", "Unmanned Zoids", "Sleepers".

-Differentiate between what sleepers are and what wild zoids are, because the two are totally different. The current descriptions are inadequate and misleading.

-Correct wrong information. There is a lot of it, such as the anime parts. Chaotic Century had sleeper Zoids, which were unmanned Zoids piloted by AI, which is different from the Elephanders in Genesis, and I'm not sure what Leon's Blade Liger has to do with things, since it's a piloted Zoid.

About the only piece of information on this page which is even close to correct is the 3 sentences about Battle Story.

Basically, the reason I put the delete tag on here (as opposed to leaving it as a stub) is because other stubs have correct information, just need expanding. This page is exceptionally difficult to expand, because the information in it is totally randomised and pulls from nearly every appearance of unmanned zoids, without putting any context as to where this information came from. Sylvanelite 04:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

What makes it extra-confusing, to me, is that the anime just kinda...throws the term wild around for everything. The battle story uses it in two specific contexts that overlap—the wild Zoids whose cores get popped out and stuck in mecha, ie the actual animals; later in the NJR, to refer to the truly-wild-and-survived-all-the-doom ones used as more direct Zoid bases, like the Liger Zero. I dunno about everything, but at least the first NJR fanbook makes a distinction between combat-mecha-escaped-back-into-the-wild and wild as in the original not-combat-mecha kind. The combat mecha kind having escaped should technically be feral or some other term entirely (iirc that's what the fanbook uses, I'll dig it out later), as they've been domesticated and re-escaped into the wild.

MY TERMINOLOGY PET PEEVES, LET ME SHOW YOU THEM. Though the anime uses wild, so...yeah. My pet peeves do not matter to the anime sections ;p.

Leon's Blade Liger was running free before he got it, which might be why it was there. Pointytilly 04:32, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

^ that's exactly the kind of things the article does not mention. As for Leon's Blade liger, it's essentially the same as the Liger Zero and berserk fury. They selected their pilots, but I don't recall them ever being termed wild. Sylvanelite 04:39, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, No. The Liger Zero was broken when Bit got to it. Leon's Blade liger was found roaming in a canyon. Can't get more wild than that! I'll get to work on the citation stuff though ZGWolf 14:18, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

I changed the term "unmaned" to "feral" But yeah Those phrases are kinda placeholders. The first episode of Chaotic century one bandit said "there are no true wild zoids anymore" he was wrong about that, but that is where the difference between true wild zoids" and "feral" first appeared. The anime does throw the term around somewhat. There also was (as far as I know) no appearence in the anime of a True Wild Zoid. I fixed some of the errors that I didn't think of before. Could we remove the deletion tag now? it scares me ;_;

ZGWolf 14:51, August 19, 2010 (UTC) forgot sig but how the heck did my message get italicized?

Death Saurer

In the anime the death Saurer was controlling proitzen. would this make it a True wild zoid or a feral zoid?ZGWolf 15:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

No, it was not a Wild Zoid. Feral could be used to describe it, though I would give it the name "The main bad guy Zoid".

(Zoids Fanatic 15:31, August 19, 2010 (UTC))

Feral doesn't mean raw and uncontrolled when you're talking in the zoology sense, it means an animal that has been domesticated and escaped back into the wild afterward. I'd personally argue it doesn't cover things that didn't escape back into the wild so much as mind control a pilot and try to Burn Everything. Heck, the Death Saurer might be argued as some kind of sentient and thus uncontrollable more than anything...was it ever tamed to begin with? Pointytilly 18:15, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Let's see. No one piloted it, and it began to mass-murder. No, I don't think it was tamed.

(Zoids Fanatic 18:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC))

It depends on how long was it controling prozen (how did i know his original name?) if it only started when it was complete then it should be classified as feral. but if it was in control since its core formed... then it is a wild zoid. How does that sound?

ZGWolf 22:48, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Really, it's kinda unknown. Also, I do need to remove that info, given it's more or less sepculation. Sorry.

(Zoids Fanatic 22:51, August 19, 2010 (UTC))

Umm you said yourself that it could be called feral. i don't, didn't have it in the article as truely wild yet. I wanted to see if any one knew. If you had a change of heart on the feral reason i would like to know why?ZGWolf 23:03, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Because frankly, I can't classify it. I mean, it could be called feral, but it's controlling. I mean, I don't have a anwser for it.

(Zoids Fanatic 23:19, August 19, 2010 (UTC))

I have added comments to the article. These questions need answering in order to get the page up to scratch. Also, the above conversation is entirely speculative and has no content worthy of being put into this article. Please don't confuse fan consensus with factually correct statements. Slax01 23:51, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Clean up.

Ok, I want to state I'm not trying to offend anyone here.

Well I'm not the first one to mention it, but this article really needs a clean up. I mean, alot of info seems speculation, and it just doesn't actually work. Now, Wild Zoids are important, and I want this article to stay alive.

So, first up would be what is a wild Zoid. The article basically talks about three different Zoids, and not enough about wild Zoids themselves. Second, it really doesn't speak much about the wild Zoids themselves. Really, that's the main problem there.

So, if anyone has any ideas, feel free to say so.

(Zoids Fanatic 00:03, August 20, 2010 (UTC))

-Sources for the Wild Zoids, Unmanned Zoids, and Sleepers.

Graphics & Battle Story, anime&games, anime respectively. The pictures came from Graphics #2 (helcat's I think) and there is more information in japanese from Graphics pamphlets #1,3 and 4 as well. Battle story information can be found in the instructions or back of boxes from NJR Gairyuki and NJR Energy Liger, possibly the art statue too but I do not own so cannot confirm. Unmanned Zoids as well as mutated wild zoids can easily be located in (but not limited to) Zoids Saga series, Zoids VS series, Zoids Genesis, Zoids Fuzors etc, mostly reffered to as Wild Zoids but fully built and outfitted with weaponry (not the same as the Battle Story's Wild Zoids). Sleepers are almost exclusively Chaotic Century though there could be Zoids referred to as sleepers in the Manga, Cards and other Anime I have not seen yet.

Yes, we know that, but most of this information is non-usable, given it's speculation, and not offical.

(Zoids Fanatic 00:17, August 20, 2010 (UTC))

For a bit of clean up we could say "Wild Zoids as reffered to in Battle Story""Sleeper Zoids as seen in CC" or whatever. And shouldn't there be atleast something about how Wild Zoids became/evolved into war machines?

Wait why is it non-usable? It just needs to be translated.

Well, that's the problem there. Fan-translation's can/can't be used, but theirs always that worry it's not correct. Also, it seems you suggest making seperate articles.

(Zoids Fanatic 00:22, August 20, 2010 (UTC))

Seperate sections.

Why do you think I suggest clean up.

Anyhow, a clean up is needed, or the article gets deleted, though I'm not a admin.

(Zoids Fanatic 00:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC))

So can I change the section titles and include some translated info (that could be OK'd here first)?

Gee just cause it's messy article gets tossed... Help a guy er ORIGIN OF MODERN ZOIDS out.

Well, it's up to you. And the reason why it may get deleted is because it may be found as "uneeded".

(Zoids Fanatic 00:33, August 20, 2010 (UTC))