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==Archive and summary==
 
==Archive and summary==
[[Talk:Zoids Wiki Rules/Archive 1]]
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[[Zoids Wiki talk:Rules/Archive 1]]
   
 
The above link contains discussion prior to the time of this post. Some noteworthy points are:
 
The above link contains discussion prior to the time of this post. Some noteworthy points are:
 
*Reiteration that:
 
*Reiteration that:
 
**The naming rule only applies to the ''title'' of a page, not the content, and only when conflicts arise;
 
**The naming rule only applies to the ''title'' of a page, not the content, and only when conflicts arise;
**The naming rule applies to ALL pages, not just models alone, characters alone, Zoids alone, etc;
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**The naming rule applies to ALL pages, not just models alone, characters alone, Zoids alone, etc;
 
**Popularity is to be cited by evidence of consumption (for instance, sales figures, number of re-runs, etc), and should not be biased to any particular media (specifically, internet forums are a very poor gauge of popularity); and,
 
**Popularity is to be cited by evidence of consumption (for instance, sales figures, number of re-runs, etc), and should not be biased to any particular media (specifically, internet forums are a very poor gauge of popularity); and,
 
**All specific examples should be brought up on their talk page, not here.
 
**All specific examples should be brought up on their talk page, not here.
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**The '''ONLY''' purpose of the rules is to provide a way to resolve arguments. All alternative proposals ''MUST'' accomplish this.
 
**The '''ONLY''' purpose of the rules is to provide a way to resolve arguments. All alternative proposals ''MUST'' accomplish this.
   
[[User:Slax01|Slax01]] 01:11, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
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[[Zoids Wiki talk:Rules/Archive 2]]
==New Proposal: Precedance/Priority==
 
   
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The above link contains some discussion about naming conventions and the like. No clear consensus was reached, as such the rules were not amended.
   
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==New Rules: Categories==
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Recently, there's been a lot of edits over categories. We do not have explicit rules for categories, so I'd through I'd lay down the history and see if people think rules need to be updated:
   
NOTE: This topic branches off of Sylvan's topic (the one before this one). Please continue to adhere to the rule of putting lines at the beggining and end of your edits in order to avoid confusion between editors and readers alike, and as always, do not forget to sign your posts with either the sig button avaliable at the editing menu or the input of four tildes (four ~). Also, keep in mind that this specific topic mostly refers to the model kit Zoids pages with several different zoids releases, with that Zoid having atleast more than 1 name to choose from as the title of it's article. A topic for a rule for other types of pages, like character pages, will be established afterwords when this discussion reaches some form of general agreement or disagreement. Said discussion will be based on the outcome of this topic to a certain degree.
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* Fan terms are allowed in categories - this is the only place in the wiki where fan terms are not just allowed, but encouraged. The community has a lot of fan terms, and it's not the wiki's place to scrub them out. However, the wiki doesn't have a way of validating fan terms. As such, it was decided many years ago, to allow categorisation of Zoids by fan terms, and to use those category pages to explain the terms. The most notable examples are the terms "NJR", "NAR", "OJR", etc. These lines aren't well-defined, but are commonly used so are useful for categorisation. Another common use case for this kind of categorisation, is to group Zoids into roles as would be seen in RPGs.
   
'''The following in italics is quoted from the last topic.'''
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* For official categories, an authoritative list should be maintained elsewhere in a "List Of" page.
   
''Leon35(me): Article titles should be changed only if a debate is brought up regarding the rules on that page's talk page and when the discussion favors a name chnage''
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* False information should not be in categories. Even with the above comments, objectively false information should be kept out of categories.
:''Slax01: True.''
 
''Leon35(me): With regards to model kits only, I think it would be a good idea to establish a guideline of sorts for naming and which names take precedence over others. ''
 
:''Slax01: If you want to do this you'd have to show me the result of your proposal (in full) so that I know how it would work. This includes characters (ie: will we have separate rules for characters vs models- do characters who appear on models use their anime names?) Also, so I know how it treats specific cases (eg: Do we use Furher over fury? etc.)"''
 
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As requested, I will explain my proposition as clearly as possible.
 
   
There has been much discusion over the rules, the most contraversy being over the naming of articles. If you have been following the discussion and can make out the extreme clutter of words in the several different discussions above (Azimuth must teach me how to archive things, if he ever comes back on that is) then you realize at this point that the argument has settled down to deciding between 2 types of rules; popularity and relevance. However, niether idea is perfect and in the end, both ideas would end up causing some contraversy on article talk pages and many article page names would still be inconsistant, just as they are now. However, in this new proposal, I would like to present a comprimise between the 2 ideas that would only benifit the wiki. I am calling it <u>Precedance</u> or <u>Priority</u> for the time being.
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* There is no upper bound on the number of categories a page should be in.
   
This new rule would replace the current popularity rule in place. It would eliminate the relevance idea as well. However, both the popularity and relevance clause's influence this new proposal I am making.
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* Categories should focus on completeness. There is no point making a "Liger" category and applying it to only one of the Ligers.
   
The original popularity rule is that whichever name is most "popular" is the name of that article. This rule also has several sub rules, for example, the use of English names over any other name avaliable (ex Garius vs Tyrannazoid) However, as stated in the above discussions, many flaws are present with this idea and many pages would have exceptions based on that article's situation. Inconsistancies would develop based on how that Zoid was released. For example, Zoid A released in the OJR, OER and NAR takes on the NAR name but Zoid B released in the OJR and OER only takes on the OER name. The relevance idea is the same way in that it has flaws similar to this. Combining the two is the key.
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The current status quo is to allow fan terms into categories. The question is: does this need to change? [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 00:08, February 27, 2019 (UTC)
   
Rather than go around and pick which name out of a Zoid article with 2 or more names for every single article, we should set a standard. Basicly, which Zoid releases take precedance over others. The community would decide which Zoid releases take precedance over other Zoid releases (forgive me for using the title in the definition several times)
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:My comments: we need to allow fan terms into categories. This is based on the overhaul done a few years ago. There is more gained by retaining fan terms, than gained by forcing their removal. It obviously has led to a situation were some users may think a category is useful, while others do not. My personal opinion is to allow these, provided they are limited to categories only (and not to main articles). The overhaul threads, although dated, go into more detail on the need for this. (so I'm saying stay with the status quo) But I'm willing to see if people have a different view on rules around categories. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 00:08, February 27, 2019 (UTC)
   
Here is another example; Zoid C was released in the 1,2,3,4,5 releases and Zoid D was released in the 2,3,4,5 zoid releases. In this example, Zoids Release 1 has the highest priority as decided by the community, and 5 has the least. (I am using numbers in order to convey my idea better and avoid specifics, and new letters in order to avoid confusion with past examples) In a perfect world, all zoids articles would be named after Release 1, like Zoid C, as it has the highest priority, but not all Zoids were a part of Release 1, like Zoid D. When this happens, the Zoids article name will be whatever release has the next highest priority. In this case, since the name from Zoids Release 1 cannot be used with Zoid D, as it wasn't in Zoids Release 1 and thus doesn't have a name for it, Zoid D's article will take the name of Zoids Release 2, which in this example has the next highest priority.
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So saying that Zoids use Karate is still a no go and calling Zoids Mammals, Saurischians, sorting them into Tribes that one user seemingly made up, labeling them invertebrates, carnivores, herbivores and generally using Earth's taxonomic system is still not okay? I ask because it's not accurate; Zoids are mecha on the other side of the galaxy in-universe. I also feel that redundant categorization is to be avoided, otherwise users can badge edit with impunity and keep cluttering the wiki.
   
Now for the tricky part; deciding which zoids releases take precedance or priority over others. Now unless this proposal is even agreed upon, which i am not saying it will, we will save this for later. I will say that the decesion making would be decided based on the popularity and relevance ideas (hence why this is a comprimise) However, unlike the 2 original ideas, they will be altered in order to address each release as a whole, rather than each individual zoid.
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I'd also like to add this page to the Policy category linked in the header/navigation. It would improve the rules visibility and remove any possible ignorance of them by making them easier to find. Only six pages link to the rules as of now. [[User:Zane T 69|Zane T 69]] ([[User talk:Zane T 69|talk]]) 01:28, February 28, 2019 (UTC)
   
No idea is perfect, and with any proposal like this, there are bound to be exceptions regardless of what any of us say or do. I will say right off the bat that inapropriete names such as "Guysack" or "Wardick" will never be used outside of redirects for pages. If we even get around to making this idea a reality, then part of the job will be to ensure that measures will be taken to allow us to avoid those names as much as possible. We are also bound to hit other types if roud bumps along the way, but will handel them one at a time, if/when the time comes to address them.
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I also would like to avoid redundant categorization. It also might be better if we move this page either in the project or the forum namespace, as pages about rules rather don't belong in the mainspace. [[User:Moviejunkie2009|Moviejunkie2009]] ([[User talk:Moviejunkie2009|talk]]) 01:37, February 28, 2019 (UTC)
   
That is another thing, redirects. I can assure you all that no matter what a page is called, all of that pages alterante names will be mentioned somewhere throughout the article and/or as redirects for that page. After all, a wiki must hold any and all information relevant to its topic.
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:I would support a move to the project namespace, but what are your opinions/ideas on improving the pages visibility. Would adding the rules page to the Policy category still be valid then? I don't personally see a reason not too. The simplified rule set is already in the project namespace. [[User:Zane T 69|Zane T 69]] ([[User talk:Zane T 69|talk]]) 01:52, February 28, 2019 (UTC)
   
Finnaly, just remember that now matter what rules are put in place, or what proposals are made, '''a page name may only be changed if a thourough discussion is made on that pages's talk page, and there is signifigant evidence to show that the change adheres to the current version of the Zoids Wikia rules and that the community agrees and is in favor of that change.'''
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For categorisation, we need a clear criteria. In other words, we need to post the exact text of a proposed change, and try to break it here. For example, the current naming convention is black-and-white, there's no discretion involved aside from common sense, since names can be cited and there's a clear order of priority. There are issues with the naming rule but these are well documented (Zoids Legacy).
   
I gratefuly welcome any and all questions, comments, or ideas, opinions, etc. Please, respond away!
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There's no such case with categories. To say no "made up" categories is fine, but that applies to nearly all the current categories. Here are some easy iiues that any proposed rule would need to solve:
   
[[User:Leon35|Leon35]] 01:35, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
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* NJR, NAR, OER, etc - these are all "made up" and have no official citations. But they are widely used by the community - how would these be affected by a new rule?
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* Karate - This is the cause of the current proposed change, it's obviously too specific for a category, but it's not far off a valid one. You could easily make a "melee" category and provide it with citations to that effect. Would new rules accept or reject this category?
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* Video Games - Currently we have Anime categories for Zoid appearances, but not games, would new rules consider this over-categorisation or not?
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* In a similar vein to above, "Aquatic" is another case. It might sound made-up, but there are official categories for it. In fact, this applies not only to things like "Wolf" but also "Insect", "Small", "Reptile", "Flying", "Swimming", etc. The list is not based on earth-like classification, but are official categories.
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* "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My" - This is another hairy situation, there are many categories that are counterintuitive, and seemingly officially wrong (so the made-up terms are allowed because that's what people know) The most prominent example is the Liger category. Most liger Zoids are not actually Liger-type, they are Lion-type. They are merely called Ligers in their name. Which raises an issue on how to categorise: based on the name of the Zoid, or the type of the Zoid. Or to be even weirder, you can even boot up Zoids Legacy, and see that the Saberlion is officially categorised as a Liger-type in the game's DB, but is neither called liger, nor liger type.
   
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There has never been a sound resolution to these issues, which is why the categories do not currently have a "no fan-terms" rule. It's too hard to actually use this as a rule. Some things which seem like a fan is adding at random, might actually be an official category, and something that looks official, might actually be a fan-term.
   
:Although I'm a little busier outside of summer, I'm around if you need me. Honestly I haven't been able to keep up with this rather extended conversation / argument / debate / whatever. (You're all a little too long winded just to breeze through all of this)
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The only proposed change I can think of that would resolve the issue, is to set up a master-list of categories, and tell users that they can't add new categories beyond what's on the list. If someone has a new category to add, they would need to propose a change to the master list, and we would judge it on a case-by-case basis. It's cumbersome, but would work. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 01:39, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
:Anyway, about your proposal. It's a good idea if you're looking for a hard line to draw for naming pages. Personally, however, I think it is too much red tape. I believe that the most common prevalent name within the English-speaking Zoids community should take precedence. The correct name shouldn't be too hard to identify... I think.
 
:About the redirects, I think I took some time a while ago and created redirects for all the different names for every Zoid given on the list, so we shouldn't have to worry about creating any of those.
 
:--[[User:Azimuth727|Azimuth727]] 01:24, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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:I think a master-list of categories is the best, albeit cumbersome, solution. We need policy to prevent edit-gaming via categorization and over-categorization. Categorizing Zoids for game appearances is reasonable. Widely used fan categories are understandable; it's just how they're known. Most Zoids can be used in melee combat and we don't categorize Zoids for Charged Particle Gun, Laser Blades, and such so I wouldn't support such. [[User:Zane T 69|Zane T 69]] ([[User talk:Zane T 69|talk]]) 03:10, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
Hello Azimuth. It's been a while. What's up?
 
   
I joined the conversation half way through myself (i was away for a bit) It was/is a hard thing to keep up with for sure
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==Moving This Page==
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See above comments. To avoid interleaving it with categories, I have created a new heading to discuss it here.
   
About your opinion about the proposal, I would have liked it that way originaly, but after the discussion that occured here, it is clear that several members would like a set rule, and I will do what will benift the wiki and the zoid community.
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For moving this page, I would like to see the new features completed before messing with old pages. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 01:39, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
   
I remember all the redirects you made. I cannot thank you enough for that =)
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==Editing General==
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As briefly mentioned in the forum: [//zoids.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Projects https://zoids.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Projects] The current (2019) wiki changes breach the wiki rules. Particularly, the last 2 dot points of "General Editing". Some of the current breaches are: including affiliate links outside the main page section. Including pages that relate to fans of the franchise, rather than the franchise itself. The easiest fix would be to propose (specific) changes to the rules. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 02:23, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
   
I have a favor to ask you; can you re-teach me how to archive talk pages? I would like to get rid off most of this clutter without deleting it. Much appreciated[[User:Leon35|Leon35]] 04:05, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
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I must have tried to write this paragraph many times over. I want to provide a quick overview of the reasoning behind the rules, but eventually I decided that I can't reduce a summary beyond the points already on the rules page. Needless to say, those few dot points were based on many thousand-word debates in the past. They might sound like platitudes, but are actually quite strict. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 02:46, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
   
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:I'd support a specific rule change to include affiliates in navigation, but not solely because it's the easiest solution. It makes the affiliates more visible and increases cross wiki traffic and may gain us new or former fans and editors. [[User:Zane T 69|Zane T 69]] ([[User talk:Zane T 69|talk]]) 03:10, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
   
@Leon:
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:I'd also like to support a change of the rules. Keep in mind that the main page is only one page on the wiki, while the navigation can be accessed from everywhere, except the chat. With that we create a stronger connection between similar-themed wikis and increase the traffic. I'll go ahead and also link to this wiki on Transformers, Beast Saga, Kamiwaza Wanda, Tomica and Shinkalion Wiki. [[User:Moviejunkie2009|Moviejunkie2009]] ([[User talk:Moviejunkie2009|talk]]) 20:29, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
   
''"Now for the tricky part; deciding which zoids releases take precedance or priority over others.
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:We all seem to be in agreement, so I've made an update: https://zoids.fandom.com/index.php?title=Zoids_Wiki%3ARules&diff=60242&oldid=60150 let me know if there's an issue with the wording changes. [[User:Sylvanelite|Sylvanelite]] ([[User talk:Sylvanelite|talk]]) 10:51, March 20, 2019 (UTC)
Now unless this proposal is even agreed upon, which i am not saying it will, we will save this for later.''"
 
:As there is no proposal of yet (ie, no-one has said ''which'' release should be given priority), the questions I raised in my last post remain. I have archived the page.
 
[[User:Slax01|Slax01]] 01:11, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I am currently drafting what a possible line up should be. In addition, there will be set rules for each release, which I am also currently drafting. Here is 1 example i have been able to come up with.
 
 
If the a zoid has both an NAR and NJR release and the names differ, NAR will take priority over NJR if the name is a direct english translation, romanisation, or logical change from the NJR name, for example Berserk Furher to Berserk Fury, Gunbluster to Gunblaster, Spinosapper to Spinosnapper. (etc) The NJR would take priority if the NAR name adds an unnecisary addition to the name, for example Iguan would be used over Iguanasaur, Gordos would be used over Gordosaur. If the NJR name can be considered innapropriete by the comminity, then the NAR name will be dominant. For examole, Guysack to Gusak, and Wardick to Warshark.
 
 
This is only scraping the surface. Given some time, and I will be able to work on this more, and then post the full proposal. Until then, i am open to questions, comments, concerns, ideas, opinions, and I would like to see other members post thier own drafts for this new proposal, if they so wish.
 

Latest revision as of 10:51, March 20, 2019

LockEdit

The main rules page has been locked. As they impact every contributor, rules are not something that should be changed regularly, regardless of how small the changes may be. Changes to the rules will only be made after extensive discussion. Feel free to discuss the rules on this talk page, all members are welcome to voice their opinions on either the existing rules, or propose alternative rules. Sylvanelite 13:15, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Archive and summaryEdit

Zoids Wiki talk:Rules/Archive 1

The above link contains discussion prior to the time of this post. Some noteworthy points are:

  • Reiteration that:
    • The naming rule only applies to the title of a page, not the content, and only when conflicts arise;
    • The naming rule applies to ALL pages, not just models alone, characters alone, Zoids alone, etc;
    • Popularity is to be cited by evidence of consumption (for instance, sales figures, number of re-runs, etc), and should not be biased to any particular media (specifically, internet forums are a very poor gauge of popularity); and,
    • All specific examples should be brought up on their talk page, not here.
  • Clarification that:
    • Gauges of "amount of information" or "relevance" are usually very hard to quantify and are hence subjective;
    • Many pages have not been kept up-to-date. This is not because of exemptions in the rules, but rather simple lack of manpower;
    • The rules may be vague at times. This is intentional, to allow flexibility;
    • The wikia is an English wikia. It should be inherently targeted toward English audiences, even when the original content is targeted at Japanese audiences; and
    • The ONLY purpose of the rules is to provide a way to resolve arguments. All alternative proposals MUST accomplish this.

Zoids Wiki talk:Rules/Archive 2

The above link contains some discussion about naming conventions and the like. No clear consensus was reached, as such the rules were not amended.

New Rules: CategoriesEdit

Recently, there's been a lot of edits over categories. We do not have explicit rules for categories, so I'd through I'd lay down the history and see if people think rules need to be updated:

  • Fan terms are allowed in categories - this is the only place in the wiki where fan terms are not just allowed, but encouraged. The community has a lot of fan terms, and it's not the wiki's place to scrub them out. However, the wiki doesn't have a way of validating fan terms. As such, it was decided many years ago, to allow categorisation of Zoids by fan terms, and to use those category pages to explain the terms. The most notable examples are the terms "NJR", "NAR", "OJR", etc. These lines aren't well-defined, but are commonly used so are useful for categorisation. Another common use case for this kind of categorisation, is to group Zoids into roles as would be seen in RPGs.
  • For official categories, an authoritative list should be maintained elsewhere in a "List Of" page.
  • False information should not be in categories. Even with the above comments, objectively false information should be kept out of categories.
  • There is no upper bound on the number of categories a page should be in.
  • Categories should focus on completeness. There is no point making a "Liger" category and applying it to only one of the Ligers.

The current status quo is to allow fan terms into categories. The question is: does this need to change? Sylvanelite (talk) 00:08, February 27, 2019 (UTC)

My comments: we need to allow fan terms into categories. This is based on the overhaul done a few years ago. There is more gained by retaining fan terms, than gained by forcing their removal. It obviously has led to a situation were some users may think a category is useful, while others do not. My personal opinion is to allow these, provided they are limited to categories only (and not to main articles). The overhaul threads, although dated, go into more detail on the need for this. (so I'm saying stay with the status quo) But I'm willing to see if people have a different view on rules around categories. Sylvanelite (talk) 00:08, February 27, 2019 (UTC)

So saying that Zoids use Karate is still a no go and calling Zoids Mammals, Saurischians, sorting them into Tribes that one user seemingly made up, labeling them invertebrates, carnivores, herbivores and generally using Earth's taxonomic system is still not okay? I ask because it's not accurate; Zoids are mecha on the other side of the galaxy in-universe. I also feel that redundant categorization is to be avoided, otherwise users can badge edit with impunity and keep cluttering the wiki.

I'd also like to add this page to the Policy category linked in the header/navigation. It would improve the rules visibility and remove any possible ignorance of them by making them easier to find. Only six pages link to the rules as of now. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:28, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

I also would like to avoid redundant categorization. It also might be better if we move this page either in the project or the forum namespace, as pages about rules rather don't belong in the mainspace. Moviejunkie2009 (talk) 01:37, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

I would support a move to the project namespace, but what are your opinions/ideas on improving the pages visibility. Would adding the rules page to the Policy category still be valid then? I don't personally see a reason not too. The simplified rule set is already in the project namespace. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:52, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

For categorisation, we need a clear criteria. In other words, we need to post the exact text of a proposed change, and try to break it here. For example, the current naming convention is black-and-white, there's no discretion involved aside from common sense, since names can be cited and there's a clear order of priority. There are issues with the naming rule but these are well documented (Zoids Legacy).

There's no such case with categories. To say no "made up" categories is fine, but that applies to nearly all the current categories. Here are some easy iiues that any proposed rule would need to solve:

  • NJR, NAR, OER, etc - these are all "made up" and have no official citations. But they are widely used by the community - how would these be affected by a new rule?
  • Karate - This is the cause of the current proposed change, it's obviously too specific for a category, but it's not far off a valid one. You could easily make a "melee" category and provide it with citations to that effect. Would new rules accept or reject this category?
  • Video Games - Currently we have Anime categories for Zoid appearances, but not games, would new rules consider this over-categorisation or not?
  • In a similar vein to above, "Aquatic" is another case. It might sound made-up, but there are official categories for it. In fact, this applies not only to things like "Wolf" but also "Insect", "Small", "Reptile", "Flying", "Swimming", etc. The list is not based on earth-like classification, but are official categories.
  • "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My" - This is another hairy situation, there are many categories that are counterintuitive, and seemingly officially wrong (so the made-up terms are allowed because that's what people know) The most prominent example is the Liger category. Most liger Zoids are not actually Liger-type, they are Lion-type. They are merely called Ligers in their name. Which raises an issue on how to categorise: based on the name of the Zoid, or the type of the Zoid. Or to be even weirder, you can even boot up Zoids Legacy, and see that the Saberlion is officially categorised as a Liger-type in the game's DB, but is neither called liger, nor liger type.

There has never been a sound resolution to these issues, which is why the categories do not currently have a "no fan-terms" rule. It's too hard to actually use this as a rule. Some things which seem like a fan is adding at random, might actually be an official category, and something that looks official, might actually be a fan-term.

The only proposed change I can think of that would resolve the issue, is to set up a master-list of categories, and tell users that they can't add new categories beyond what's on the list. If someone has a new category to add, they would need to propose a change to the master list, and we would judge it on a case-by-case basis. It's cumbersome, but would work. Sylvanelite (talk) 01:39, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

I think a master-list of categories is the best, albeit cumbersome, solution. We need policy to prevent edit-gaming via categorization and over-categorization. Categorizing Zoids for game appearances is reasonable. Widely used fan categories are understandable; it's just how they're known. Most Zoids can be used in melee combat and we don't categorize Zoids for Charged Particle Gun, Laser Blades, and such so I wouldn't support such. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:10, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Moving This PageEdit

See above comments. To avoid interleaving it with categories, I have created a new heading to discuss it here.

For moving this page, I would like to see the new features completed before messing with old pages. Sylvanelite (talk) 01:39, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Editing GeneralEdit

As briefly mentioned in the forum: https://zoids.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Projects The current (2019) wiki changes breach the wiki rules. Particularly, the last 2 dot points of "General Editing". Some of the current breaches are: including affiliate links outside the main page section. Including pages that relate to fans of the franchise, rather than the franchise itself. The easiest fix would be to propose (specific) changes to the rules. Sylvanelite (talk) 02:23, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

I must have tried to write this paragraph many times over. I want to provide a quick overview of the reasoning behind the rules, but eventually I decided that I can't reduce a summary beyond the points already on the rules page. Needless to say, those few dot points were based on many thousand-word debates in the past. They might sound like platitudes, but are actually quite strict. Sylvanelite (talk) 02:46, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

I'd support a specific rule change to include affiliates in navigation, but not solely because it's the easiest solution. It makes the affiliates more visible and increases cross wiki traffic and may gain us new or former fans and editors. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:10, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
I'd also like to support a change of the rules. Keep in mind that the main page is only one page on the wiki, while the navigation can be accessed from everywhere, except the chat. With that we create a stronger connection between similar-themed wikis and increase the traffic. I'll go ahead and also link to this wiki on Transformers, Beast Saga, Kamiwaza Wanda, Tomica and Shinkalion Wiki. Moviejunkie2009 (talk) 20:29, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
We all seem to be in agreement, so I've made an update: https://zoids.fandom.com/index.php?title=Zoids_Wiki%3ARules&diff=60242&oldid=60150 let me know if there's an issue with the wording changes. Sylvanelite (talk) 10:51, March 20, 2019 (UTC)
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